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Old 02-11-2010, 12:39 AM
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I had run it outside the tank for about half an hour straight and the heat was not excessive, but I will keep a close eye on it. Thanks for the advice.
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I had run it outside the tank for about half an hour straight and the heat was not excessive, but I will keep a close eye on it. Thanks for the advice.
The heat and cooling of the plastic may cause fatigue, even though the pressure is very low, you may get cracks, and then smoke fluid may leak out.
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Guess i'll look for the gray one tomorrow....But at least it works lol.
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Guess i'll look for the gray one tomorrow....But at least it works lol.
Or go copper, at least that can handle lots of heat.
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I wouldn'tworry too much aboutthe plastic container you are using right now...Iused "pledo" containers for almost a yearin my tanks before I found aluminum boxes the right size ...
I like your idea of using a T" configuration for your exhaust pipes . This way you don't have to move the heater element to adjust the smoke level to the left and right exhausts...like I do...
I would try a bigger diameter pipe in the section coming out of the smoker since you have to feed 2 pipes of the same size...

P.S. I had to work extra shifts this week ; so I"m a little bit behind on my projects ...I started to pack spare resistor elements and diodes for your unit ; I still need to redo the wiring and give it a qwick test before shipping ( which should be this coming monday at the latest). You will have tobuild a bracket to hold theunit in your tank since I strippedthat smoker to the bare minimum for demo. purposes...
Meanwhile it's nice to see smoke coming out of your tiger exhausts....

Here's a few pics of my "pledo" smoker...
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Yes, I think the PVC if fine. There is no direct ehat on it. I think the design I am using works well, but I agree that I need a larger tube for the output section. I only made this as a test so I do plan to make a nice unit...but I want to see your configuration in person first.  Thanks again brother.
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Well I have concluded (after burning up my wifes HL S.U[:@]) that It probaly only takes a few drops if even that, I assume that you only need to wet the wick (correct me if im wrong) so it should'nt take much.



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 Guys, I just got from someone a nice heater element of unknown properties, and after replacing the broken one in an old style smoke unit, it makes literally tons of smoke.

 The catch here being theat the amp draw is now at 0.7A and the comsumption is 4.3W. (the default values being 0.5A and 3.5W for a stock unit) Do I risk to damage the Rx13 or I should be fine?
 Again, the smoke is IMPRESSIVE.
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The calculated value of your unknown heater element at 7.2 Volts would be around 10.28 Ohms for a current of 0.7 A ...
The original H.L. nichrome element was around 18 Ohms ...
10 Ohms will give you more smoke but will drain your battery faster and put an extra load on the transistor driving the smoke unit on the RX 13 board ....
If you got more smoke that you want ; you can reduce the power by putting a diode in line with the heater ; a diode like the 1N4007 can take 1 A and lower the voltage by 0.7 Volts ....
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For some reason the video has been removed ??
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The calculated value of your unknown heater element at 7.2 Volts would be around 10.28 Ohms for a current of 0.7 A ...
The original H.L. nichrome element was around 18 Ohms ...
10 Ohms will give you more smoke but will drain your battery faster and put an extra load on the transistor driving the smoke unit on the RX 13 board ....
If you got more smoke that you want ; you can reduce the power by putting a diode in line with the heater ; a diode like the 1N4007 can take 1 A and lower the voltage by 0.7 Volts ....

Thanks a lot. The unit is the second version, with the power transistor on it's own small circuit board (not on the Rx13). I runned it with the finger on the transistor and it's not even getting hot (while the stock heating element will get the transistor hot real fast). In this setup, do yoyu think the extra power/current drain would pose any threat to the Rx13?
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You're talking about the proportional H.L. smoke unit ....
On that unit , the transistor is driving the pump motor and the heater element ( + ) is connected to the ( + ) terminal of the 2 pins connector that goes to the RX-13 board ? ...

The ground ( - ) is common ( heater , pump motor and 2 pins connector ....
There's still a transistor mounted on the RX 13 that powers the smoke unit and the heater when you start the engine ....
That's the one that I'm concerned about ....
The one way I found to fix the problem in my tanks was to connect the heater to the ( + ) terminal of the board ( RX-!3 in your case ) via a 1 Amp. fast blow fuse ....

This way ; as soon as you turn on the main power switch ; you send power to the heater element ...
You wait for about 1 minute to let the smoke build inside the smoker and when you start the engine ; you have a big puff of smoke when the pumping system starts ....And if your heater shorts out ; you'll only blow the fuse ....
























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No, I'm not talking about the proportional one

Take a look here http://www.rc-panzerketten-forum.com...p?postid=29097there are pics for the first two versions of the non-proportional units (very old version and old version, so to speak).
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i just had a thought, i didnt read through the entire thread so maybe its already been talked about. but does anyone have an opinion on what the benefits of having a secondary chamber would be? meaning after the smoke is produced in the smoker, having a second chamber that it gets pumped into and fills and then leaves from there through the exhaust pipes. im thinking it would give more consistant smoke, plus having this "smoke chamber" would give you a steady thick supply of smoke to plumb to things like the gun barrel would'nt it? any thoughts or opinions?
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Ihave a question about the wiring from the left and right motors to the proportional smoke unit that strmd54 had provided the schematics for. Does it matter in which order the motors are wired to the diodes as to left + and left - and right + and right -? I had read on a much eairler post that it was important to get the correct wiring or everything goes up in smoke.
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The order doesn't matter ; I"m welding the diodes on the motor terminals of the RX-18 board and sending only 1 wire to the smoke unit instead of 4 Here's a pic ....Make sure you follow the diodes polarity ....
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Ok. Mine is a little different as I already had the four wires running from the motors to the heng long proportional smoke unit board so I welded the four wires to the four diodes.


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